I give this book 1 star right away for the editing and type-face. The Bible does not seem to make this distinction, this "canon within a canon," that you are leaning heavily on. Editors’ Note: As noted in our recent interview with authors Peter Gentry and Stephen Wellum, Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants (Crossway, 2012) is a groundbreaking contribution to any discussion about the intersection of exegesis, biblical theology, and systematic theology. What role does the Holy Spirit play in what they did with the NT? The study of the covenants provides a framework for understanding and applying the message of the Bible to life in the new covenant community. The priority is given to social justice (feeding the poor, taking care of orphans, etc). I was corresponding with a CT recently, and he remarked that the "fatal flaw" of DT is that we use the OT to re-interpret the NT. So while they can speak of one people of God, they also call out the church as a new people of God. They both assume fulfillment at the Cross without proving that thesis. If we apply historical/grammatical methods to NT passages where the OT is cited, we get some very helpful, not to mention inspired interpretation of the OT. Proper exegesis of the NT cannot happen though apart from the foundation of proper OT exegesis. if any editors from Crossway happen upon But Peter Gentry and Stephen Wellum now propose a significant biblical theology of the covenants that avoids the extremes of both classical systems and holds the potential to break the theological impasse. They were not afraid to draw out exegetical possibilities that didn’t strengthen their own position. There is little doubt that Kingdom Through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants (hereafter KTC) is a significant work.It has already garnered much attention online (see here, here, and here for a sampling). And it is only this humanity that will survive divine judgement and enter the new heavens and the new earth. 133, 170). 2. 146, 149, 156, 160), who through suffering have been given a clean heart (pp. This group looks down their nose at any talk of genre, when genre is how we do literal / literary interpretation - and genre comes from a detailed study of grammar and history! Be the first to ask a question about Kingdom through Covenant. Your reasons for leaving DT are taken, even if I personally disagree. The study of the covenants provides a framework for understanding and applying the message of the Bible to life in the new covenant community. The study of the covenants provides a framework for understanding and applying the message of the Bible to life in the new covenant community. I don't know if you've read the book, Paul, or not. I do not mean that personally. The final three articles in this issue of the journal contain the written responses of these three men as presented at the meeting. CT and DT are quite extensive in what they affect. When I read former CT now NCT hammer this point, I can only imagine Sam Waldron or Michael Horton with a twitch in their eye as they read that. This fundamental point of the vision has unfortunately escaped the attention of proponents of both dispensational and nondispensational treatments in the last hundred years. 1,500? Reviews (73) Read more . I think the NT is the final word. Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. The reason I say "stuck" is that those of us in this murky middle area don't find either system completely convincing; yet over the course of the previous century, there has not been any third option presented that has proved to be a real contender with these two long-established systems. Follow me on Twitter. Second, the chapter on the new covenant in Daniel is masterful. We may assert some new view based on the NT, when in fact we misunderstand the NT. They also look at other passages which describe what God established with Adam in the beginning in contrast with the upholding of that covenant. They built the case assuming certain NT truths rather than exegeting the NT. It's def a book which will cause you to dig into Scripture. However, if the NT authors used the OT legitimately, then the meaning they assert is in the text and we can replicate. Book Review: Kingdom Through Covenant . And to talk of "enlargements" etc is simply to indulge in the kind of double-speak I refer to. The reason I say "stuck" is that those of us in this murky middle area don't find either system completely convincing; yet over the course of the previous century, there has not been any third option presented that has proved to be a real contender with these two long-established. 3) I believe that all who ever were or ever will be saved (from Adam to the end of this world) are so by the vicarious atonement provided by Christ - all men are either fallen in Adam or stand in Christ. the OT) were subject to alteration or modification because we discover (?) Furthermore, biblical theology is interested not merely in words and word studies but also in concepts and themes as it traces out the Bible’s own story line, on the Bible’s own terms, as the plot line reaches its culmination in Christ. I do not believe one Testament has heremeutical priority over the other. If I could give decimal-stars, this would be a 2.5. We cannot claim that our hermaneutic is either inspired or infallible. 's favored hermeneutics above suspicion while DT's 'contend that the NT cannot correct their interpretation?' Both are inconsistent, argues Gentry, in their views of the relationship between the Abrahamic and the New Covenant. Gentry gives a fresh perspective and an enticing challenge to adherents to both dispensational and classic covenantal hermeneutics of scripture. ); the theologically charged new covenant performs much as the covenant of grace, spiritualizing seemingly clear covenant oaths and shoehorning them into Christ and the Church; supercessionism again rears its head upon the nation of Israel, and the reader is presented with a batch of pious double-speak. DT does not let the OT interpret the NT at all, we simply refuse to allow the NT to correct the OT. As an exegetical method, it is sensitive to literary, historical, and theological dimensions of various corpora, as well as to the interrelationships between earlier and later texts in Scripture. As a covenant theology loving Christian I found their critiques even-handed and thoughtful. For obvious reasons, we have no OT authors quoting NT Scripture, but we have numerous NT authors quoting and commenting upon OT Scripture. Mike Vlach also reviewed it in addition to Bock and Moo. After all the groundwork and exegesis, the book closes with a discussion on the implications of this middle way. Visually, this book is top notch. Where God in his holiness confronts his image-bearers in their rebellion, there must be wrath, otherwise God is not the jealous and self-sufficient God he claims to be, and his holiness is impugned.58”, “Prophetic preaching and writing certainly does not follow the patterns of Aristotelian rectilinear logic so fundamental to our discourse in the Western world. However, it makes more sense to believe that OT texts which are handled this way point to the divinely intended manner for understanding other OT texts. Creation is ordered based on God’s covenant. Excellent book, though it takes some work to get through. He shows how land in the OT itself is expanded and viewed as a type from Eden on through Canaan to an expectation of a global inheritance. 2:12; Heb. Some of the Hebrew was above my pay grade but I never felt lost and easily followed the train of thought. Sabbath, warning passages, circumcision, land, The authors call their view a species of new covenant theology, opting for progressive covenantalism (24) or simply for kingdom through covenant. Genre is a grouping literature based on characteristics of the literature. Scripture is only sufficient if it can be understood. Thanks Bob for sharing my review at SharperIron. Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants. On top of this you are advocating interpretation of Scripture from outside of Scripture. Looks down their nose at any talk of genre? Gentry is professor of Old Testament interpretation at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. To your quote though, is it possible you mean that the NT uses certain texts differently than what some DTers say? In fact, they are actually quite silly. (it would be plain daft to deny this point). I was pondering this remark today as I wrapped up a study of eschatology in Amos 9. They also look at the linguistic data behind cutting a covenant and upholding a covenant. That's a good thing because we often cannot reconstruct the history in many places accurately from the statements of the biblical authors. So far it is good. I find it difficult to defend the notion that OT interpretation should be given priority over the NT. That seems opposite of what one might expect, but that appears to be the crux of the competing interpretations. “Kingdom through Covenant has helped me better understand the Bible as a continuous narrative. Both writers assume that covenant fulfillment happened largely at the first advent. If the NT is the priority in interpretation, some key texts were starved for attention and locked in a closet. That can't be the essence of CT since it is not unique to CT. It again was refreshingly balanced and biblical. As I've already pointed out, the first Christians did not have the NT on hand to interpret their OT's with. Finally, they ended part 2’s discussion of the covenants with an examination of Ephesians and especially the phrase speaking the truth in love (4:15). That isn't progressive revelation at all. It is also the root of where people like Pete Enns have gone. They also argue for Ezra’s return commissioned by Artaxerxes as the beginning of the seventy weeks and note it also starts “a sabbatical cycle” (p. 547). Thanks for the review, Matthew. Finally, a word on the book’s accessibility. Welcome back. Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical Theological Understanding of the Covenants Peter J. Gentry, Stephen J. Wellum. It isn't. The land, which functioned as a type of this greater reality, now reaches its terminus. Peter Gentry & Stephen Wellum are seeking a middle way between covenant theology and dispensational theology. But they take pains to build their system from the ground up using OT exegesis. [node:disclaimer body collapsed] In line with many, the authors of this book devalue the OT by making much of it typological based on their understanding of the NT (they read the NT back into the OT). Gentry, Peter J., and Stephen J. Wellum. I read primarily sections 1 and 3 of the book, and found it very thought-provoking. There is so much rich information that could easily be translated into meat for a lay person. As seven-hundred-plus pages, I figured this book would be very thorough in discussing the various covenants, and it was. Someday, this year will end! The book conserves that God establishes his kingdom through the biblical covenants, all of which point forward to, terminate in, and are fulfilled by Jesus Christ. I give this book 1 star right away for the editing and type-face. Actually Bob, I said nothing about NT exegesis. Gentry and Wellum have finally given a name and theology to a non-dispensational Baptistic theology of covenant. Otherwise, the meaning is not in the words, but in something else. Nothing radical. Next, although I do not advocate G-H hermeneutics as applied to the Bible, but come at it through Scripture itself, yet as John Sailhamer and others have pointed out, the G-H method is really grammatical interpretation. Kingdom through Covenant is an important book. What I and others like me are saying is that G.N. They say: As we think through the biblical covenants, since God has not disclosed himself in one exhaustive act but progressively, we must carefully think through every biblical covenant first in its own redemptive-historical context, then ask what has preceded that covenant, and then relate that particular covenant to that which comes after it and how it relates to the inauguration of the new covenant in our Lord Jesus Christ. These are dispensational views. GOD’S KINGDOM. That isn't progressive revelation at all. They are both equally the Word of God and are both quite clear (with some exceptions in certain passages). Start by marking “Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants” as Want to Read: Error rating book. 2. Though DT would not accept this characterization, that's what you have when you bend NT texts to fit OT interpretation rather than the other way around. Much of the analysis of OT texts was enlightening, although several discussions delved into detailed rebuttals of opposing viewpoints that were neither helpful nor stimulating. Terms like "actual" and "double speak" are a bit pejorative, no? They say: [T]he first half of the book establishes and proves that Daniel has a gift of interpreting dreams and visions of events which could be independently verified by Daniel’s contemporaries. …concerned with the overall message of the whole Bible. The major argument I’ve encountered is the lack of the word covenant within the first three chapters of Genesis. However, this cannot be the case under a general redemption. Also, i'd like to give a props to all the charts and visual aids, really well done. http://www.telosministries.com/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-the-old-testament-according-to-the-new/. ***** Anyone interested in developing a theology that fits within the big picture narrative of Scripture would benefit from. of Kingdom through Covenant by a team of scholars who accept the basic biblical- theological framework of Gentry and Wellum and develop that framework in areas that the initial book did not (e.g. I think Kingdom Through Covenant, much like Blaising and Bock's Progressive Dispensationalism, will be a theological game-changer. The discussions surrounding the covenant of creation and the Noahic covenant, the new covenant as revealed in Daniel, and the life in the new covenant discussion in Ephesians 4:15 were the most thought provoking and encouraging for me. After establishing the ground rules for their hermeneutical method, they offer a history of both dispensational theology and covenant theology. After all the groundwork and exegesis, the book closes with a discussion on the implications of this middle way. In Kingdom Through Covenant – 2nd Edition, Gentry and Wellum have given us a much needed updated to their seminal work on the biblical covenants. There is no via media here, only a recasting of covenant theology via "New Covenant Theology." It is better named "corrective revelation" or "revised revelation.". I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca. Gentry gives a fresh perspective and an enticing challenge to adherents to both dispensational and classic covenantal hermeneutics of scripture. If by stand you mean he could maintain what he had, then yes, so do I. any other path will lead us to lose what it means to be truly human (pp. I'll post a fuller review later. But I'd appreciate it if you'd respond to these matters, and/or the others I spoke about above. Neither have the majority of Christians for most of Church History. Therefore, we must believe and trust the interpretation of the visions in the second half of the book, which deal with the distant future and hence were not open to verification by the audience of Daniel’s time. I've no idea what heremeutical means. Second, they offer a robust defense of particular redemption. Why can we not simply read the OT and believe what it says? The authors do not have a good grasp of Dispensational theology. 1. What is the relationship of Israel and the Church? Your position seems to negate that. Foundationally, they argue that “it is through the biblical covenants that God’s kingdom comes to this word centered in the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ” (p. 591). To begin studying the OT with a particular rule of interpretation, such as the "literal whenever possible" rule, will lead us to understand the OT in a fairly predictable way. We can see what they did, but we do not know how they did it. The first three chapters of this book really whet my appetite for what was coming - an exegetical attempt at paving a 'middle way' between covenant theology on the one hand and dispensational theology on the other. In discussing this method, they spend a significant amount of space defending biblical typology by distinguishing it from allegory. 8:7-13), which are part of the progressive revelation of the one plan of God that is fulfilled in the new covenant. This book is really good so far, but I’m setting it aside for a while! This language clearly indicates a covenant established earlier between God and creation or God and humans at creation. James K faults the authors for being weak on NT exegesis (not enough of it). On what basis can we be sure of our NT interpretation but not our OT interpretation? I just said they see covenantal fulfillment in the first coming. And the covenant relationship which God created us for in the first place is now realized in its fullness as we enjoy the presence of our great and glorious triune covenant God, and serve him in worship, adoration, devotion, and obedience forevermore. I am aware CT's (especially non-baptists) don't like NCT, but as you also see that it's closer to CT it is moot. I meant hermeneutical of course. Great review, Mathew. For in the new covenant, they argue, Jeremiah 31 says that all those who are under the new covenant have experienced the work of the Spirit in their heart. This understanding (seeing the continuity and discontinuity) provides the basis for rejecting padeobaptism. Instead, the approach in ancient Hebrew literature is to take up a topic and develop it from a particular perspective and then to stop and take up the same theme again from another point of view. Why do you think we can't interpret the OT properly but we can interpret the NT properly? It seeks to understand the parts in relation to the whole. (Reformed Forum)Listen to a lecture by Stephen Wellum entitled Hermeneutics 101: How to Interpret the Bible. I applaud all books that demonstrate the fallacies essential to CT. Peter J. Gentry (PhD, University of Toronto) is professor of Old Testament interpretation at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and director of the Hexapla Institute. This book was of great help to me in articulating and honing what I've come to believe about the relationship between the Old and New Testaments and the Biblical Covenants in my study of Scripture. And how come the test of a prophet is based on whether what he says literally comes to pass? 14 Brueggermann, Theology of the Old Testament, 157f. It’s noteworthy that Paul argues that people who speaking crudely, live lasciviously, and generally disregard this new covenant holiness have “no inheritance in the kingdom of Chist and God” (Ephesians 5:5). reading now that I've got a pretty good grip on the larger argument. Gentry and Wellum convincingly prove that the covenants form the "backbone of the metanarrative of Scripture." NCT emphasizes actual covenants, not speculative ones. The authors showed in the intro that they are very competent writers. And it's mind boggling to me that you should think a first or third century Christian in Ephesus or Smyrna or Lyons should know all about 2nd Temple Judaism. Further, you should know that scholars cannot agree on 2nd temple interpretations. A blend of “yeah,” “meh,” and “ick;” but with much more “yeah” than “meh” or “ick,” such that the overall assessment is one of “yeah.” I trust this is clarifying, but if you want it all spelled out, the main “ick” had to do with the use of the term “social justice.” “Meh” is in regards to where I don’t think they give classic covenant theology a fair shake and the “yeah” is for where they do. This new volume is their attempt to present their case in a … But what if I reject that standard? ... Paul faults them for basing their entire position on NT exegesis. As a covenant theology loving Christian I found their critiques even-handed and thoughtful. Thus, all the old problems with CT surface: the OT is treated as a depository of types (interpreted as fulfilled at the first advent! Given your approach, it would seem we could only deal with what the NT clarifies for us. 2) I believe that Adam (in his original state) actually had the strength to stand before God based on his obedience, but after his fall he (and we) are no longer able to stand on our own works. My own difficulties with DT came through the exegesis of several NT texts in which the writers of Scripture handle OT texts differently than does DT. The footnotes are super helpful and detailed. It forces us to declare that the NT has not corrected our interpretation because it cannot. “Kingdom through Covenant is directly applicable to a pastor faithfully seeking understanding of God’s Word as it reveals the structure that supports the narrative of God’s message throughout time. I remain unconvinced that a serious distinction between God “cutting” vs. “establishing” a covenant can be maintained. The Bible as a whole treats the OT on equal par with the NT. Yes, I have read the book. Both are inconsistent, argues Gentry, in their views of the relationship between the Abrahamic and the New Covenant. Since all OT prophecies are not quoted in the NT, I cannot prove that assertion. There is no such person than who is so concerned with this new covenant ethic that is also not fulfilling his duty to his covenant community. But way too long with very little pay dirt. # Book Kingdom Through Covenant A Biblical Theological Understanding Of The Covenants # Uploaded By Barbara Cartland, kingdom through covenant a biblical theological understanding of the covenants gentry peter j wellum stephen j isbn 8601400551622 kostenloser versand fur alle bucher mit versand und verkauf duch amazon Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants A Review Article Samuel Renihan* Just as the Israelites feared to enter Canaan because there were giants in the land, so also the one who approaches Kingdom through Covenant1 must consider the viability of digesting and interacting with a work of such magnitude. The result is a massive yet fascinating exploration of the unfolding of the covenants of Scripture that is both theologically rich and exegetically compelling. That basically means I'm Baptist and I have a biblical theological understanding of the Church as the fulfillment (not replacement) of Israel by means of her union with Christ the true Israel. Secondly, it threatens the sufficiency of Scripture. The last 0.5 I give to the introduction which gives a lengthy overview of Covenant views. 4:24; Eph. I mentioned earlier that in the midst of all the technical discussion they had a way of making the discussion approaching and this is exemplified best in the discussion of Daniel. And that the new covenant made with Christ is unique and distinct from the old covenant. Most of the time it is true I think, but it is pretty standard to just include that. While the type has significance for its own time, its greater significance is directed toward the future; it testifies to something greater than itself that is still to come. I realize that's overstated, but you are advocating a position which would be hard pressed to stop its momentum in that direction. Gentry and Wellum have done them a great service in showing how both covenant and dispensational theology mishandle the covenants in different ways. How do you know that your NT interpretation is, in fact, correct? Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants. It is a tremendous work of biblical scholarship and accessible compared to it unabridged 800+ page version Kingdom through Covenant. If NT authors do not arrive at the same interpretation, we know that we failed to discern the divinely intended meaning. In seminary I took all the ST classes with Wellum, as well as hermeneutics and the work of Christ classes and they were excellent. (p. 156). This, in turn, allows us to see specific covenantal discontinuities in God’s unfolding plan which has import for a variety of theological issues. 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